Q&A: Resisting Self-Censorship Through Nervous System Regulation with Beatriz Victoria Albina
“We create a space to step out of the self-censorship that's imposed by the nervous system to remember who we are and what matters to us.” - Beatriz Victoria Albina
A couple things:
This is a different format than this newsletter usually takes. That’s because I’m hosting a series on healing this month. Next week, you can expect to hear from an EFT tapping practitioner, and the following week, we’ll be chatting about rest.
Heads up! There is explicit language in this recording. Also I hope you’ll forgive my lack of a pop filter for my microphone in the intro. I know, I know. I know better, but we’re working what we have here. Bear with me, y’all.
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ABOUT BEATRIZ VICTORIA ALBINA
Beatriz Victoria Albina, NP, MPH, SEP (she/her) is a UCSF-trained Family Nurse Practitioner, Somatic Experiencing Practitioner, Master Certified Somatic Life Coach, Breathwork Meditation Guide and author of the forthcoming book End Emotional Outsourcing: a Guide to Overcoming Codependent, Perfectionist and People Pleasing Habits (expected Sept 25, Hachette Balance). Through those modalities, she helps humans socialized as women to reconnect with their bodies, regulate their nervous systems and rewire their minds, so they can break free from codependency, perfectionism and people pleasing and reclaim their joy.
She is the host of the Feminist Wellness Podcast, holds a Masters degree in Public Health from Boston University School of Public Health and a BA in Latin American Studies from Oberlin College. Born in Mar del Plata, Argentina, Béa (Bay-ah) grew up in the great state of Rhode Island. She has been working in health & wellness for over 20 years and lives with her wife, Billey Albina, on Occupied Munsee Lenape territory, also known as New York.
IMPORTANT LINKS
Free meditations: https://beatrizalbina.com/cher
Website: https://beatrizalbina.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/victoriaalbinawellness/
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TRANSCRIPT
Cher: Hi! Welcome to Doing It for the Attention. For this mini series, I’ll be your host, and my name is Cher Hale. When I started to get curious about this topic, the idea of needing to ask for attention but not feeling at ease with doing so, it became very clear to me very early on that healing was a necessary part of the equation. And in doing my own work healing my nervous system over the years, I can attest to the way it has freed me up to produce more innovative and subversive work, to stand up for myself, to allow myself to be seen, and to withstand rejection. That’s why I wanted to host this mini series. To give you all a taste of what’s available when it comes to healing modalities, specifically within the context of visibility. Think of it as a feast, a table full of appetizers. For our first guest, I’ve invited on my client, Beatriz Albina. From personal experience, I know that Béa Albina is a remedy in herself. Since I began supporting her work as a publicist in 2020, she helped me connect the dots between oppressive systems, emotional outsourcing habits like people pleasing and perfectionism, chronic illness, and nervous system regulation. She was able to help me make those connections because her lifetime was spent connecting the dots herself. After a lifetime of chronic IBS, GERD, and intermittent depression and anxiety, she was able to leverage a combination of healing modalities outside of allopathic medicine to heal her body and her mind from people pleasing and perfectionist thought patterns.
Her work also sped up my radicalization and has helped me give my nervous system the attention it needed for such a long time. Also, as a heads up, she has a book coming out with Hachette late 2025 that’s all about Emotional Outsourcing. Until then, I highly recommend that you subscribe to her show, Feminist Wellness, where you can also partake in her hilarious and loving nerdery. Okay, on to the episode.
Cher (she/her): Hi. I'm so happy to have you here. It's such a joy to be on this side of the mic with you.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: It’s really fun. I just think you're the best, and I'm so grateful to be here.
Cher (she/her): Well, as everyone heard in my intro, the feeling is so fucking mutual, just incredibly mutual. And you're here because you're a genius when it comes to somatics and nervous system and chronic illness. You've taught me so much about how my body works and just being embodied. And so when I was thinking about the work that I'm doing now, which is how we can build the capacity and the skill set to ask for attention in the context of creative, liberatory work, you were an obvious choice, because I was like, duh. Restoring and protecting our nervous systems is a critical ingredient. Right. If we're feeling tense and we're terrified of rejection, asking for attention will not be on our bingo cards. It’s not going to happen.
Cher (she/her): And as an aside, if people are curious about the mechanics of the nervous system, we're not covering that today. So I'm going to link to episodes from your podcast, which is brilliant. Feminist Wellness, in the show notes, so they can hear you, nerd out about it and nerd out about it alongside you.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: What a delight. Thank you.
Cher (she/her): For the purposes of this conversation, I would love to get really nuanced and juicy. And the first topic is self censorship. So, in a divisive political environment that's rife with fear, how can we continue to communicate in a way that's in alignment with our values and respects what our bodies and nervous systems need?
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Okay, so that is, how do we stop from censoring ourselves because we think it's what's asked of us versus when our nervous system is censoring us without our consent.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Because we can also go there, right?
Cher (she/her): Okay,
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Cool. I mean, I'm not busy. Are you busy? Buckle in folks. You got two wicked nerds on the mic. So, okay, I mean, I think the answer is in its beautiful magical way, the same, which is we need to learn how to hold space for our feelings, hold space for our nervous system in like a real way, not a, like sort of bullshit like what we're seeing on Instagram of like flap your wings seven times and touch your nose and then your nervous system will be regulated. I took a six week nervous system coach course and now I'm, you know what I'm saying? Like I was coaching a woman in Anchored, my six month program, yesterday who is was evacuated from the LA fires two weeks ago, a week ago, five minutes ago. And she was like, I’m doing all the things I'm doing, these somatic practices and this thoughtwork and this supplement and this red line, the thing and the thing and the thing. And I just can't find the words to express what's going on, what's wrong with me? And I was like, Babe, 0.0 things are wrong with you. There's a lot wrong with the world. There's a lot wrong with your situation. There's a lot of upheaval in the air, in the world, in your nervous system. And so yeah, you can't finish a sentence. Yeah, you can't find the words to say what it is you want to say because your body's having an appropriate response to large scale catastrophe wrought by corporate greed. Done. Right. But here we are thinking we need to be like hashtag healing and hashtag self healers, which let's please go into that whole white colonial myth in just a hot little moment. But we think we're supposed to be doing and doing and doing when the first thing we need to remember is being right. So how do we not inadvertently self center? How do we not self censor when we know that it may be the most prudent thing to do in a financial sense? We don't want to alienate our audience, right? We come back to ground, we come back to orienting, we come back to the earth through our bodies. We remember because I will doggedly say we all knew how to do this at birth, right? Like remember when your daughter was born? Do you remember that? How she used to scream a lot? Do you remember that?
Cher (she/her): How could I forget?
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: How could you forget? That was because she knew how to express her feelings and hold space for them. Most of your audience I would guess was a baby at some point. I don't want to make too many assumptions. But I think it's fair that some proportion were. And they too were born knowing exactly what they felt and how to get their needs met. Right. And so we need to go back to holding space for the big sad, the big mad, the big annoyed, the big frustrated. And once we've learned how to hold space for that, it opens up all this spaciousness and this expansion to reconnect with our intuition, which reconnects us with our discernment, our capacity to know what's actually good and bad, right and wrong for us, based on our values, our integrity and our dignity. And from there we can make the best choice. Do I want to make a statement about… Pick a genocide. Do I want to make a statement about… Pick a human rights violation? Do I want to make a statement about. And so we create a space to step out of the self censorship that's imposed by the nervous system and by maybe financial prudence, frankly to remember who we are and what matters to us and to stand strong in that by having our own back.
Cher (she/her): And when you mentioned earlier this idea that we have to be healing on our own, self healing, I would just love to bring in this idea that like healing is a collective project. Tell us more about this.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: I thought you'd never ask. So yeah, I'm actually writing this whole piece right now. I've been in it for like a year of back and forth with myself about the concept of co-regulation and self-regulation of our nervous system. And I would posit that there is no self-regulation. So I'm going to drop that big umbrella thought there. I'm going to back it up. I'm going to define terms and I'm going to go in. So the whole concept of self healing is predicated on whiteness? Yeah, on an extraction from collectivity, an extraction from community. An extractive way of looking at people and the planet. And by the planet I mean the water, the air, the wind, the sun, the animals, the bugs, all of our relations.
When we posit that we are meant to be self healing, it is taking this really individualistic view of man, by which I mean human, as separate from one another. And it is my deeply held belief that we are all profoundly and inherently connected and separation is literally impossible. In a truly non dualistic way. We are one. Not in a like 90s I don't see race, kumbaya, hold hands right where we’ll all one. But like in a really deeply Buddhist animist, My carbon is your carbon. We are one way. And then when we get really practical, studies show I have a lot of people to thank for the lights being on right now. Also the Internet, also Zoom. Also I'm talking to this plastic microphone with metal components like who in Zaire made it possible? Who in China who's working on an oil rig right now? Scary job. So that there's electricity in this house, which I rent, meaning somebody else owns it and a bank, you know what I mean? Like we can get as esoteric, which always. Thank you. But we can also get wicked practical, like I'm drinking clean water, clean hot water right now. I had no part in that other than pressing a button, right? And so to even begin to posit that we can self heal or self regulate is just to have our eyes closed to the… I was going to say thousands, but millions of lives that touch every aspect of our lives in a million ways, right? I'm wearing clean clothes, I didn't knit. Who made the dishwashing soap? Whose carbon shell, right? What little sea creature shell was milled to make that soap? We can get as granular as a girl can get, right? And so to talk about self healing is inherently extractive. Therefore, is capitalist is the cornerstone of whiteness. And I don't think serves us in any way. As humans, we're pack animals. Our nervous systems work by checking out each other's nervous system, right? The fact that you're chill helps me be chill. Not because I don't have inner chill, I've worked damn hard for my inner chill, but because my nervous system is looking at that smile, right? Looking at your eyes, smiling your face. I mean, y'all Cher is smizing as usual. And my nervous system is just like down regulates in the most beautiful way.
So when we say we need to self heal, we also obviate the harm of greater systems, right? And we propagate the story, the thought, the notion that there's something wrong with us, that we're broken, that we're defective, that we have defects in our, I don't know, our character, but there's something wrong with us that we need to individually heal because we're individually fucked. To which I replied, no, thank you. No, no, I gave it the office. I'm good. I'm not buying it, right? The survival skills in me that have been problematic in relationship were learned as survival skills in relationship, right? Codependent perfectionist, people pleasing habits that I have held at one point, in childhood, were the things that got me through, right? We are hurt in relationship, we heal in relationship. And I'll pause because I can see some words wanting to. You're just thinking. You're just thinking, you smarty pants. I could go on ad nauseam, but I will pause there.
Cher (she/her): I can't help but think about how this idea, this concept of self healing serves also as a tool for the oppressor. Right. The way that it, it distracts us from each other, which is what really matters.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Right. And it keeps us buying stuff. Right. You have to buy your individual yoga training, your individual program. Or like your one on one healing machine system thing as opposed to finding the healing that's available in like… I volunteer at my local food bank. Talk about healing. Right. Like, oh my God, it's almost all like retired teachers and myself. So like hearing those women's stories. Oh my God. Right. Talking to the patrons, the folks who come for food. Like the whole thing is mutual aid, collectivity, one tiny answer to capitalism's harms and it is profoundly healing. I didn't have to buy a thing.
Cher (she/her): I'm just thinking too now of how I think of reading breathing as a healing experience and how that also is a collective healing experience. Because someone created this beautiful story and then brought it to life through all these hands. And then we're reading it like in collectivity. Right. There's just so much that comes into a healing experience that can be free. The library is free, guys. I'm a number one patron.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: I love it. I love the library. Somebody asked me this morning why I wrote a book. And, and that's why. Because the ultimate tool of democracy is free books. You know, my podcast is free, but you need Wi-fi, you need a phone, you need to be able to charge the phone, et cetera, et cetera. A book can be passed hand to hand to hand to hand to hand or on the Libby app from your local, you know, library. But still, right. It's. It's that ultimate tool of democracy.
Cher (she/her): Now originally I was going to ask you about how we actually can't reset our nervous systems, but I love this conversation. You actually have like a whole episode on it, so I'll link it in the show notes.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Yeah, it's a good one.
Cher (she/her): But I really want to get into rejection and I know that that's a heavy topic. You've a lot to say about it. I just want to understand. Can you explain rejection as an experience to us from both a scientific and a somatic perspective, like, how can we make peace with something that's going to happen no matter what?
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Oh, yeah. I mean, there is the whole rejection is protection sort of story. And we can. We can use that as like a sort of goalpost to put out there. Like, someday I will believe that I was rejected to protect me. It's often that there's a vast chasm between here and there, though. Right? Yeah. So, okay, rejection on the nervous system level can be existentially frightening. I mean, it can be akin to being a little kid and hearing a lion roar on the savannah of evolution. Right. Because as humans, as pack animals, we need each other to survive, again on this existential, vital level. I mean, you and I are small for humans, but humans are small for animals. I mean, don't tell me you're six three rhinos. Elephants. Right. Water buffalo. Have you seen them swim underwater? It's majestic and horrifying at the same time. I highly recommend a quick video watch later. The world is incredible and we are so small. So small. And so we desperately need one another because humans, as we posit many other kinds of similar mammals do. We do tend to engage in groupthink. And so we understand that if we're rejected by one member of the village, of the tribe where we were in tribes, there's a high risk that we're next. Right. That down the hierarchy of the village we will be rejected and we'll end up cold and alone on a mountainside where perish we shall. And so our nervous system is keenly attuned to any signs of rejection because they're tantamount to death.
Now, what's a sign of rejection? Now here's where it gets really fascinating, is really different for all of us. There are evolutionary psychologists who would say there are some sort of standard things, but someone being too kind to you might freak your nervous system out. If that was unsafe in childhood. If a parent would be like an emotionally immature parent would be incredibly kind and then would flip it on you. Right. Someone you know. One of my best friends, Marie, is from that kind of like, Sicilian Long island home where they just scream all the time. All they do is scream. And, like, they scream expletives at each other and they're like, well, whatever, I love you. And that's just like, how they're wired. Like, that's their wiring, that's their gestalt, that's their, like, familial culture. Oh my God, my whole body. The first time I was there, my body was like, we're all gonna die, we're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're gonna die. Because I was raised in like a mausoleum. Like my parents were in the US incredibly quiet, pretty much no one talked. It was, it was a challenging place to be a kid. And so loud in English feels scary. Loud in Spanish is different. So even right there, right, is really interesting. What feels like rejection is super individual.
So what happens in the nervous system? Let's say we start in ventral vagal. The safe and social. Sorry, let me pause. Do you want me to do sort of a nervous system 101?
Cher (she/her): No, I think we're good. We've got this, we've got this.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: So you're in ventral vagal, you're chilling, there's a loud noise. What do you do? Obviously you go to flight. Flight's the first impulse because we're small. Adrenaline goes up, norepinephrine goes up. Cortisol will follow, right? Hormone will follow, the neurotransmitter. You start going into fight or flight and you start getting activated, right? You're expecting doom. And the irony of which is ears that are…his is metaphor, not direct science. Ears that are attuned to doom are going to hear doom. You know what I mean? You're listening, you're thinking and, and feeling and believing ‘I'm being rejected’. Someone saying, oh, of course you can come to the party. You're like, they don't want me to come to the party, right? And you start to hear everything around you as further evidence of your unlovability, your unlikability that no one wants you around. That whatever your story is around rejection. I'm too loud, I'm too quiet, I'm too fat, I'm too thin, I'm too smart, I'm too dumb. I'm ba ba ba ba ba. And eventually, after a lifetime of hearing everything as rejection, the nervous system's just like, you know what? That's enough. That's enough out of you. They just nobody likes you. Isolate, stay home. Dorsal is our jam. The couch is a great place for a schmuck like you.
And so it becomes this negative feedback loop where we expect rejection. Everything feels like rejection. We self reject, right? We reject the world around us. Then it becomes that self fulfilling prophecy that leads to ever deepening loneliness. Now another thing, I've been writing a lot about is loneliness. And that feeling of loneliness as, as evidence of a deep and profound shame. And that shame and loneliness track together now when we have that rejection sensitivity and we can bring in neurodiversity in just a second. So I'm just going to pin that when we then start to feel shame when we feel we've been rejected. And because we have shame, we reject. Right? We reject the world. We reject. No, I'm not going to go out. They're just going to make fun of me. No, I'm not going to, you know, see if they want to have coffee. They're going to say no, no, I'm not, because there's something wrong with me. Which again feeds this narrative. It really snowballs very, very quickly.
Now to bring in a little note about rejection sensitivity. Studies would tell us that the neurodivergent brain. So folks with add, ADHD, some flavors of autism, are more sensitive to rejection. I have seen this in clients and patients alike. And some percentage of the population, some proportion in my clinical experience can find improvement in this experience by regulating the nervous system. The more regulated the nervous system is, the more able you are to have your own back, to stand strong in and with and for yourself. And the more able you are to stay in ventral vagal and not ride that roller coaster of rejection, sympathetic dorsal crash, functional freeze. And you're able to come back home into self and not feel as fully just sort of destroyed by what feels like rejection.
Cher (she/her): At some point I want to ask you, not today, but at some point about the relationship between fragility and rejection. This idea of people who like feel very fragile in relationship to the world or feel like they're offended by everything. But I think given where we're at in the conversation, I'd love for us to do some somatic stuff to help people understand what it looks like to regulate the nervous system. And inspired by you, I took like a six week course on overcoming shame and building resilience with B. Stepp and Ream. And I learned in that course that what matters of course is the movements. But of, but more than that, it's the repetition of the movements, right. How often we incorporate it into our routines and our bodies. So I'm curious to know in the context of this relationship, what are a few exercises that would be like, yes, these are go to's for healing this experience.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: So I'll both share some specific movements and I'll also add to. I love that you took a class with Amanda Ream. We go back like, 25 years. I love. Makes my heart just so happy. Somatics allow us to experience the self through new poses and new postures. And so I will, of course, provide some places to start, but what really matters and what really moves the needle? And what I do with my clients in the Somatic Studio and Anchored is really explore the posture you take when you're feeling rejected, the posture you take when you're feeling shame. And then what's the opposite posture? Right? So the body holds tension patterns, right? I don't think that anybody, you know, somebody doesn't want to go on a date with you. And you're like, putting your hands over your face, right? Like, come on. But what's the subtle thing you do? Do you put your weight all on one hip? Do you curve your back? Do you sort of slouch? Do you start playing with your face or wringing your hands? Like, what do you actually do? And so then starting to really slow those movements down.
This is what we do in Somatic Experiencing. So you can start to do the same movement you've been doing unconsciously, unintentionally, but with intentionality. So what can you learn? What can your body show you? Right? You may hear a voice saying, oh, I wring my hands, because I don't know what to do with my hands, because, I don't know, maybe I have to protect myself. I don't know. Or you may feel a tension in your shoulders, and you may all of a sudden, I don't know, hear your mother's voice. Who knows, right? But the point is, the more we can slow down and explore what actually is, the more supportive and expansive. I almost said effective, but I, like, ate that word because I don't want to do somatics to be, like, effective and productive. Like, I'm not interested. Right? I'm super interested in being. And so what can I learn about how I am being by the patterned movements, the patterned postures in my body? Because patterns show us what's been for as long as it's been, right? So here's the simplest, easiest, my favoritest. Go to one. And this is counting your little fingers. So when we are revved up, when we are in sympathetic, we need to slow the F down. When we are in dorsal and we don't have enough get up and go. Or we're. Wait, what? I don't. Sorry, I totally spaced out. I was in dorsal. What? When that's what's happening. We need some speed. Yeah. So let's start with speeding up so then we can calm down. Yeah. So let's say you're in a conversation. This used to happen to me all the time. I'd be in a really challenging conversation in a relationship where I didn't feel fully grounded, and I. I would lose my words, talk about the nervous system censoring me. And all of a sudden, one of the most gregarious, loquacious Argentine Leos ever, that's me, would suddenly have no words. It was weird, but it was full dorsal. I just…zoom…zone out. So under the table, where no one can see you. Or if you're. Whatever. If you can do it right in front of you. Great. You're going to take your thumb and I'm going to speak assuming you have two hands. If you don't, adjust it for you. If you have no hands, do this in your mind's eye or if your hands don't move. We honor you. We love you. Your body's perfect. So you can take your perfect thumbs or visualization thumbs. You're going to tap your first finger. You say 1. Your New York fingers say 2. Your ring fingers say 3. Your pinky say 4. Come back 4. Tap pinky ring 3. 3. New York 2, index 1. And so we're trying to wake the nervous system up, so we're going to go fast. You ready? One, two, three, four, four, three, two, one. One, two, three, four million four, three, two, one, one, three, four, four, Three, two, one. Are you, like, I'm waking up, like I'm, you know, having some caffeine or a little bit of stimulant. Right. And that's what we can do to, like, bring our nervous system back online. Yeah, right.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: You feel it's like, tingly, right? Like. Okay, now that you've found some words, you've taken that censor out of your nervous system just a little bit. Let's slow the nervous system down. Let's calm the nervous system. Not because calm is best, but because calm can often provide safety. Right. If you're in a challenging moment, a triggering moment, a moment where, like, you need to respond or react, calm can often be quite helpful. Yeah, I don't want to privilege calm over an activated state. They're both vital just at different times. So you take that thumb and that first finger and go 1. Next finger, 2. Ring finger, 3, pinky 4. And come back, pinky 4, ring 3, New York 2, index 1. And you can just keep going at your own pace. And I like to bring some breathing into it. Do you feel your nervous system calming. Yeah. I just had like, what is this? Chamomile, lemon balm, oat straw, like all our favorite, right, nervine calming herbs. All in just one sweet little movement. Yeah. And you can do it with just one hand. You can do it like under the right where the Zoom camera is. Like no one needs to know you're doing it. Or if there's the safety to do it in a conversation, you can share it with the person you're in conversation with. Hey, listen, I'm getting dysregulated in my nervous system and this conversation really matters to me and I want to stay present with you. So I'm going to take a moment and I'm going to do this weird looking thing where I tap my fingers. But it's because science, so hold tight. Do it with me if you want to. It's so great to teach kids like so many of my friends have taught their little kids. And I get these little videos of like a little peewee waiting for the bus going 1, 2, 3, 4. And it…my entire heart explodes every time.
Cher (she/her): Yes. This will be going to Chiara immediately. And she's so cute now because she goes, she goes like she's trying to figure out where her fingers are. How to go from here to here. Right.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: God, I love that kid. Yeah. So that's one of my simplest, easiest go tos because you can do it anytime, anywhere. And it's so modular. Right. And it's for free.
Cher (she/her): Yes, we love. Although there are several things that people can pay you for.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: There’s so many things to pay me for. Yeah. Which is taking all of this and making it individual to you.
Cher (she/her): In that same vein, this newsletter is called Doing it for the Attention. What work do you want to put the spotlight on? Or in other words, how can we support you?
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Well, you're so wonderful. I actually made a treat for your listeners. So that treat is a suite of meditations, nervous system orienting exercises. There's an inner child meditation. It's a really good time.
Cher (she/her): Wonderful. People can find you at your podcast at all of the places.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: All of the places.
Cher (she/her): I would say at this point, you have, what, over 200 episodes?
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Over three. Isn't that bananas? Here, let me look. Three, 310. Oh, my gosh.
Cher (she/her): I will link to the ones that are related and relevant. And it was such a joy to talk to you.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: It was so much fun. And should I remind the people about my book?
Cher (she/her): Ooh, I have mentioned it in the start. It's in the intro. Of course. I'm literally your publicist. I cannot forget.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Well, there's something to that.
Cher (she/her): It’s not going to happen where I forget your book. But yes, you can definitely shout it out because it's coming out very soon.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Very very soon. September 30, 2025 is the public is the publication date I have to date. You know, these things change. But it's called End Emotional Outsourcing An Intersectional Feminist Guide to Overcoming Codependent Perfectionist and People Pleasing Habits. Hachette is publishing it and I am just effing thrilled.
Cher (she/her): I am also thrilled. It is like 20 plus years in the making, actually.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Yeah, it really. It really is. And I'm so excited.
Cher (she/her): I adore you. Thank you for being here.
Béa (Bay-ah) Victoria Albina: Likewise. Thank you for having me.